Joinville on the battle of Mansoura - USNA
However, this looks chronologically unlikely in light of the dates attributed to Roger's descendants. The speculation could be based on a misinterpretation of the 1103 charter, on the assumption that "Etienne clerc, le comte Renard et Roger son jeune frère" were all three brothers. 3. ROGER de Joinville (-1137 or after).
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